# Swapping Debt for Development
**Date de l'événement :** 05/11/2025
* Publié le 05/11/2025

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[Vidéo 1](https://player.ausha.co/?podcastId=dzmlMSRYR1EG&v=3&playerId=ausha-7MlV) 

## Description
How can countries in critical debt positions secure the financing they need to invest in critical infrastructure? And when should they rely on grants instead of loans – even at concessional rates? In this episode Paola Subacchi hosts **Pablo Saavedra** from the World Bank to explore tools such as debt-for-development swaps, designed to lower debt-servicing costs and extend maturities – giving countries more breathing space.

**Hosts & Guests**

**Paola Subacchi** is Professor and Chair in Sovereign Debt and Finance at Sciences Po, and Professor of Political Economy of Europe at the University of Bologna. She is also a partner at Essential Economics, a London-based consultancy that advises governments, international organisations, and private companies.   

From 2019 to 2024 she was at Queen Mary University of London, where she helped establish the Queen Mary Global Policy Institute. Previously, she directed the International Economics Research Department at Chatham House (The Royal Institute of International Affairs) in London.  

**Pablo Saavedra** is the Vice President for the Prosperity vertical at the World Bank, working on issues related to economic policy, poverty, finance, institutions, competition, and investment. Prior to serving in this position, he was also the Country Director for Mexico and Practice Manager of the Macroeconomic, Trade, and Investment unit in the Latin America and Caribbean Region at the Bank.   

In these positions, he provides significant technical knowledge and operational experience across regions on topics related to economic growth, macroeconomics and fiscal policy, and finance.

## Intervenant(s)
Pablo Saavedra

## Intervenant(s) secondaires
Paola Subacchi

### Date de publication de l'épisode
05/11/2025

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`#Économie` 

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